Wednesday, February 3, 2010

Could the Mormons be false prophets in your best estimation as defined by the bible?

The Bible lists six identifying marks of false prophets, any one of which is sufficient for identification: (1) through signs and wonders they lead astray after false gods (Dt. 13:1-4); (2) their prophecies don't come to pass (Dt. 18:20-22); (3) they contradict God's Word (Isa. 8:20); (4) they bear bad fruit (Mt. 7:18-20); (5) men speak well of them (Lk. 6:26); and (6) they deny that Jesus, the one and only Christ, has come once and for all in the flesh (1 Jn. 4:3), thereby denying His sufficiency in all matters of life and godliness (2 Pe. 1:3). Most cults are founded upon false prophecies, which, if pointed out, offer an effective way to open blind eyes and rescue cultists. Mormonism boasts of its prophets -- but they have all been false. In the course of 18 years, founding prophet Joseph Smith made 64 specific prophecies. Only six of them were fulfilled -- fewer than 10 percent.Could the Mormons be false prophets in your best estimation as defined by the bible?
absolutely!!!





False religion based on false prophecy based on a false history that has no backing or evidence of it at all.





Not all the people in that religion claim to be prophets. But their founder did claim to be a prophet yet he dabbled in all kinds of stuff that is definitely not Christian. He was a very superstitious man. He was in the Masons, as well. That is where Mormonism got a lot of their rituals and symbols.





What has light to do with darkness?Could the Mormons be false prophets in your best estimation as defined by the bible?
The anti Mormon bigot is back with his army of ignoramuses
1- The LDS Church and it's prophets teach people to come unto Christ. They teach of Jesus Christ and God the Father, so I am really not sure what false Gods you speak of, unless of course you are calling God the Father and Jesus Christ false Gods.





2- There are many prophecies that have come true and some that have yet to come true. Not all the prophecies in Revelations have come true yet, but you would not refute that John was called of God.





3- Not sure how LDS contradicts God's word





4- What exactly is that bad fruit that LDS bear? Could it be the service that is renedered throughout the world which members of wards and branches world wide participate in on a regular basis? Or is it the hard working, people of integrity who are taught to be good citizens and live Christ-like lives?





5- Men speak well of Jesus, so does that make him false. In order for a person to be a true prophet, they have to be hated by everyone except their followers? Yeah I am not sure that is true. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were certainly not spoken well of, they still are not spoken well of by many non Mormons. Really I think all that is ( I would have to check the passage though) is that they are popular and Charismatic and seek popularity. The LDS leaders could careless about popularity, they only serve God, and that is all they care about.





6- We believe that Jesus is the ONLY savior of the world. Check out http://jesuschrist.lds.org/SonOfGod/eng/鈥?/a>


Then tell us, honestly that we deny Christ.





I am sure that you know everything I have told you, but you are too busy trying to prove how evil we are, to open your mind and realize that we aren't the evil cult that many make us out to be. BTW- using the strict definition of cult, all religions are cults, LDS is no more of a Cult than any other religion. LDS is certainly not a dangerous cult.





You have a right not to believe us. But that does not mean that you have to attack and make false statements about us.
The only thing I can say to you is you spend too much time trying to figure out what the Mormons do wrong and not enough time researching and really studying the facts.


people need to stop putting other religions down, stop trying to find the wrongs in religions and start finding what is right for them.


let them worship how they like. If its wrong then you have nothing to worry about, if its right, well then......ya.
You are throwing a lot of accusations...but no proof. By their fruits ye shall know...show me the bad fruits...show me the negative outcomes from following the Gospel...for following the Prophet...for being a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So far you are just blowing so much smoke up an exit only hole.
None of the scriptures you mention contradict any teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.





You claim some of Joseph Smith's prophecies are false, but you don't list any.





Please take a course in logic and try again.
Most LDS people would strongly disagree that they deny Christ, but you're right about the other issues. My only regret about leaving the LDS church is I didn't do it sooner.





The LDS denial of Christ is very subtle. A group of BYU students were praying to Jesus. Apostle Bruce R. McConkie rebuked them saying that they are to worship the father in Jesus' name, but not him directly. Tell that to the many people in the NT who prayed directly to Jesus including John the Beloved. Apparently they weren't blessed enough to hear McConkie's clarification.





On the false prophecy thing, its sad to see LDS apologists try to defend very testable, specific prophecies that didn't come true. They can't. He was speaking in the name of the Lord, there was no conditional ';if/when'; language, and it didn't come true. Why not study them if you're LDS?





Once you bring in the Book of Abraham embarassment, Smith caught at his own game with Kinderhook, DNA evidence and the B of M, Brigham Young's wild teachings, and you've got a clear picture of who Mr. Smith is and the early leaders he recruited. But you have to admire the skill of the con. Too bad it's so harmful to so many people.





Regarding the fruits of LDS people, my heart goes out to them. They view good works as a cause of salvation, not the result of God working in them. No wonder the depression rate is highest in Utah, young men suicide the highest, and I think ice cream consumption as well. So apparently depressed young men are killing themselves by eating ice cream. Kidding, but the fruits of a ';work your way to heaven'; approach is either arrogance or depression, that there's plenty of evidence for the latter.





To my Christian friends who criticize the LDS gospel, no, your works won't save you, but if you haven't experienced a change of heart since you believed, see no evidence of God working in you, wake up. You've haven't met Jesus. Wake up and see what's going on with your connection with God. If water's not coming out of the hose, it's probably not hooked up to a water source. 1 John speaks broadly and deeply about this.
The Mormons have claimed to be prophets? None of my morman friends have made any such claims.
I'm not a Mormon, but there's a huge hole in your logic:





1. Jesus could be a false prophet as defined in the Old Testament (Tanakh), and he is considered it by Judaism.


2. The Jewish religion could be considered false because of the deviations from the Canaanite faith that it came from.


3. Canaanite religion could be considered false because of the deviations from the Sumerian religion that it came from.


4. Sumerian religion could be considered false because of the deviations from the Indus valley traditions that it came from.





And those people from the Indus valley were definitely lying when they told people to stop worshiping animals from the Animism cults!
You're a former member? Well, I don't know how long you were, and how deeply involved, but you didn't learn anything about our prophets while you in the church. obviously.





What do you think the role of a prophet is--to predict the next lotto numbers? Prophecies, humph!





1) False gods? Who would those be? The only God we worship is Heavenly Father, who sent his son, Jesus.





2) Prophecies? Like. . .uh. . . Predicting the future? Our prophets are not for that purpose--they are instated to lead us.





3) I don't know how you think our prophets have ever contradicted God words. Give an example.





4) Bad fruit--our prophets are good men and have never lead us astray.





5) We speak well of them. You anti-Mormons certainly do not.





6) Our number one precept of our church is that Jesus is the Christ and that he has come in the flesh and will again.
according to limited understanding of the particular words. YES





but even the prophets of old spoke at times and the word of God in prophecy was not completed. but yet those prophets are still cannonized.





one in particular is Jonah. if my memory doesnt fail me.





He was told by God to go to a certain city and declare The destruction. the inhabitants of the city, fasted and prayed in sackloth and ashes and the previous prophecy of God was declared overturned.





let me ask you, was that prophet a false prophet because his prophecy failed.?





thus paul writes: prophecies will fail
Yes.
Theirs is a false church according to the Bible.
YES!! 1 John 2:22. %26lt;')))%26gt;%26lt;
They might be false prophets, but they're pretty good profiteers...5 billion in assets for a charity organization!
Most definitely!
Their ';prophets'; are false, so yeah.

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